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Council Report Pans Night Flights Proposal

It’s grim reading for Manston, but it could be good news for East Kent – depending on Thanet District Council’s priorities. Yes folks, the Parsons Brinckerhoff report has finally arrived, and you can read, print and download your copy HERE

This summary is in handy bite-sized chunks – just click on the “next installment” at the end of each post to work your way through…

Shortly after Manston submitted their most recent night flying proposal last autumn, TDC commissioned independent experts Parsons Brinckerhoff (PB) to look at all the paperwork. Manston’s application was supported by a noise impact report from Bickerdike Allen Partners (BAP), and an economic assessment from York Aviation.

TDC’s brief to PB was:

[p2]  To assess the suitability of the methodology used in the application; To test the assumptions made; To review the Planning situation

I have no idea why they asked for the third point – this is clearly a matter for planning lawyers. PB spend about a third of their report rehashing the history of planning problems and then throw up their hands in resignation and say “ask a expert”:

[p22] It is recommended that Legal Council [sic] Opinion is sought on the question of intensification of use.

Some key findings from the PB report:

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  1. Thanks for the brief digest – useful for those of us with more enthusiasm than time! And, by the way, Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! Let's hope this scuppers it.

  2. Denis Cannon

    From the report… 'the analysis of the noise impacts have, in our opinion, resulted in an underestimation of the potential adverse impacts on residents in the area'Says it all really !

  3. Maurice Byford

    Do me favour forward a copy onto David Foley.Is there any where on these submissions we can add ' We told you so!'

  4. The thing everyone seems to have missed is that the section 52 agreement that was the precursor of the 106 agreement, was placed on the 30 acres of the civilian enclave, this is the only part of the airfield that had planning permission for and that only for a terminal. This restricted the times that the terminal could operate,at the time this was granted the RAF were still operating at Manston..So does that mean that the 106 agreement applies only to the terminal not on the whole airport, and if so should the section 52 agreement still stand, as the 106 agreement is obviously a flawed document.As I said at the time "not worth the paper it is printed on"

  5. Denis Cannon

    Earlier in the report on the subject of how noise levels will affect residents, it mentions the night flying policy will result in (quote) "a not insignificant number of disturbances".

  6. AT LAST SOME GOOD NEWS. LIKE MANY I DO NOT OBJECT TO THE AIRPORT, BUT CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS A NEED FOR NIGHT FLIGHTS WHEN THEY DO NOT GET MANY, OR ON SOME DAYS ANY, FLIGHTS DURING NORMAL WORKING HOURS.

  7. Excellent news and applied common sense is winning through…

  8. Keep fingers crossed that this finishes it. I hope they don't switch their attention to the Estuary?? That would be a whole new battle.

  9. Perhaps it is now time for several or more upstanding/key members of our community such as headteachers, business owners, actors, community leaders, religious leaders and more to collectively sue Infratil and TDC for reasons along the lines of devaluation of property/business. loss of amenity, danger to health and well-being, if they decide to allow night flights. We may get a decision sooner!

  10. If night flights are not permitted at Sydney Airport Australia I cannot understand why we should accept it at Manston. Well done! Keep up the good work.

  11. "…to collectively sue Infratil and TDC" It may be possible to do this in the near future. Anybody who is adversely affected should be ensuring they complain, detailing the impact it is having on them and they should retain copies of the complaints and any replies received. Copies of the complaints should be sent to Infratil, TDC and your local MP. It is important that nobody in a position of authority is able to turn round in a year or two and claim that they were unaware that the airport was having an adverse impact. TDC is rapidly running out of room to continue claiming that the airport is beyond their control.

  12. Complaining to Infratil, TDC and MP's and keeping records of complaints about any adverse effects of flights and other detrimental effects of the airport on our lives is excellent advice Igloo!

  13. TDC cannot, surely, grant night flights at Manston after seeing this report. It is very damning in places of the over inflated york report's findings with regards to employent number, economic growth for the area etc and it seems as though the unbiased truth will be hard to ignore. Quality of life for local people should not suffer as a result of what boils down to, a New Zealand company wanting to make money.

  14. Barry Oakland

    Excellent news, hopefully TDC & KCC will get the message and direct their efforts elsewhere!

  15. Surely the dreaded threat of night flights has been sent packing by this report. There is no way TDC can ignore the findings.

  16. "Oh Dear"…you really are a source of great wonder and amusement! Ha Ha Ha!

  17. Just read Hart's post on the Thanet Labour site. So after all this it appears that TDC are powerless to control Infratil's actions and can only offer an 'opinion'. Explains why the airport has so little regard for its neighbours. Shambolic.

  18. Oh Dear, From the moment that Wiggins acquired Manston (note I said aquired not Bought) the local community tried very hard to engage with them, to no avail. The only thing that both Wiggins and Infratil wanted from the beginning was night flights to enable them to sell slots at night to freight movers.At no time has there been the remote possibility of huge numbers of passengers, when you look back over the years every company that has set up at Manston has either gone broke or withdrawn.You are quite right Infratil appear tp be able to do just as they like, the question is WHY HAVN'T THEY could it possibly be that LEGAL OPINION say's otherwise.As I pointed out earlier as far as I can see the section 52 agreement still stands and the 106 agreement is null and void.Perhaps you might enlighten us as to your legal opinion.At the judicial review, which Wiggins entered into as a co-respondant the judges summing up included an undertaking by TDC (which included Wiggins as the operators) that should permission be sought for night flights this in itself would constitute an intensification of useage as set out in the certificates of lawfulness.Ergo : before Wiggins took over there were no night flights allowed so without planning permission being sought for Manston to become an airport (instead of just an airfield with a passenger terminal) night flight cannot be sought.Talking of bullyboy approaches, I myself had on more than one occasion been subject to this by both the operators and TDC, so maybe a bit of tit for tat applies.

  19. OH DEAR,Now thats funny my silk and his junior, who has a great deal of experience in planning matters informs me that Infratil and TDC have no chance at all of getting night flights through because of the precedents already set. (I quite agree the 106 isn't worth the paper it is written on, thank the then Labour council for that.)Though maybe your brother in law knows better!Though you didn't answer why if they can do as they like why oh why haven't they?

  20. "Manston could start night flights tomorrow without any comeback. "This may be the case if you look only at the Section 106 Agreement. However, there is a much bigger picture here and there are a number of legal angles which have to be addressed. For a start, there is the issue of intensification of use. Manston doesn't have planning permission and any increased or altered usage could constitute intensification requiring planning permission. In addition, there is the whole area of environmental law and the astonishing fact that they have never done an environmental impact assessment for the airport. I would suggest that any lawyer worth his fee would need to look into all aspects before reaching a view that damaging night-flights are not preventable. Of course, there aren't huge numbers of lawyers versed in these aspects of the law and it could well be that someone who specialises in contract law wouldn't be the best person to ask.

  21. Never mind o deery deery you can be a lorry marshall when it is aquired for operation stack very soon. Stargazer

  22. wibbly wobbly wallaby

    Igloo, DBI am wondering why TDC admits that the threshold for an EIA at Manston has been exceeded a number of times yet the EIA has been ignored to safeguard what has now become, a tainted development? Oh Dear is clearly a development at any cost exponent? Perhaps Oh Dear could enlighten the public why Infratil ignored a request to go to arbitration on these issues? Could Oh Dear again enlighten us why the significant delay to put in the interceptor?

  23. Unfortunately an "intensification of use" in itself is not evidence of the need to apply for planning permission unless a material change of use can be proved.Example given was a dog owner kept 20+ dogs in her home, it was found that a material change of use had taken place, it was then part home and part kennels. It is difficult to see how more planes makes a material change to an airport

  24. You may like to read this regarding Inverness Airport before the party gets started.3.6 As advised earlier, there has been no grant of planning permission at Inverness Airport as the facility pre-dated the planning system and therefore, unlike the position that pertained at Aberdeen for many years, there is no condition restricting the operating hours. 3.7 Two questions then arise. Would 24-hour opening constitute development? If the answer is in the affirmative then does it constitute an intensification of use equating to a material change of use? 3.8 The independent legal advice obtained by the Council is to the effect that even if the intensification of use constitutes development it would benefit from the general planning permission under Class 44 (1) of the GPDO. The only caveat is that HIAL consults the Planning Authority before undertaking the change of use, that is to say no formal application for planning permission would be required. 3.9 The legal advice also suggests that noise contour maps appear to be based at 2030 and not at today's date. In that they do not reflect the current position, base line figures covering the whole 24-hour period should be obtained for the residential properties close to the airport to clarify the current exposure to noise. New housing development should thereafter be subject to the advice contained in PAN56: Planning & Noise. 4. Current Position4.1 A formal consultation letter has now been received from HIAL. 4.2 Although there is no requirement to consult with the Community Council, a copy of the letter received from HIAL and the legal opinion received has been sent to all the Community Councils in the Inner Moray Firth area informing them of what is proposed. 5. Conclusion5.1 That the Committee note that the legal advice obtained has established that in order for HIAL to operate 24 hour opening at Inverness Airport, a planning application is not necessary as this would be permitted development under Class 44 of the GPDO.

  25. Intensification: The PB report describes an increase from 31 to 700 night flights a year. SCHEDULED night flights would change from being banned to being permitted. The airport would change from 16 hours a day to 24 hours a day. The actual nuisance to residents would increase sharply. I would call that intensification, but lawyers can be slippery…

  26. HBM,You can call it as much "intensification as you like but unless you can prove change of use, "intensification" is not grounds for a planning application.

  27. Maurice Byford

    You can take two views on this.You could take the Oh Dear point of view that in essence simply lies back and accepts a deterioration in our standard of living as a natural course of lumbering advancement that we should accept without demur.Or you can take the view that as residents and citizens we have a right to establish boundaries of common sense and work together to improve conditions for ourselves and everyone else.By now it should be apparent to all including the fingers in ears Oh Dears, that the business plan presented by Manston is a huge pack of lies and misinformation. There will not be the thousands of jobs they promised, the Airline industry does not see Manston as the golden ideal that they paint it to be and that the future for Manston is one of only freight and cargo.So it becomes an issue of whether or not some people are prepared to fight and do what they can to preserve an acceptable existence for their community or take Oh Dears point of view of inevitability and lower our expectations on life and living.Is it worth the fight? Should we just not roll over and accept the inevitable? Or are we more than this?My personal point of view is that if you want anything in life then you need to strive for it. When we go into a coffee shop or retail store do we stand there and simply accept the rudeness of staff, or do we make comment and then move our custom?Oh Dear would have us all accepting a poorer way of life and not fight for those issues that are important to us.I believe it is when we don't fight, then we have no option but to accept what we are given. I actually feel sad for those people who refuse to question, fail to care and are not prepared to stand for what is important for themselves and others. Which makes it all the more pertinent that Oh Dear should choose such a nomenclature, one of exasperation and defeat.

  28. Maurice Byford-Well expressed and very kind!

  29. Local business woman

    Here's the legal advice that TDC was given some years ago:"Further, in my opinion, the entering into the S106 Agreement does not fetter or prevent the Council taking the view that night flights may amount to intensification to such a degree as to amount to a material change of use and taking action thereon.In the Court of Appeal judgement a few years before that the judge said:"Mr Humphreys for the Local Planning Authority [i.e.TDC], understandably seeks to have it recorded that an intensification of use whether, by way, for example, of night flying or use of different kinds of aircraft would inevitably and necessarily give rise to enforcement action by the council. That, in my judgment, must be right. Neither of these guys are my brother-in-law. On the other hand, they make a living doing this stuff and have given advice on TDC, Manston, and night flights, having read all the documents and been given all the facts. I'm not a betting woman… but I am used to weighing up expert advice. I've read enough about this (to my intense irritation – what a bl**dy mess!) to put my money where my mouth is and say "yep, night flights are intensification, a material change of use and would require planning permission". That's why I've contributed to the No Night Flight legal fund.Keep going, guys, I think your lawyers are right.

  30. So Ken do we accept your view or that of an Appeal Court judge, giving an unequivocal answer to a direct question. Maurice is right; we must not give up.

  31. Tim, If you think I am about giving up, you have got it completely wrong. I am hatching a "cunning plan" to support TDC in an argument that the "intensification" DOES constitute a material change of use which should require planning permission.I believe in addressing the weak points in order to maximise the strong points and I have won many planning appeals against local authorities on that basis.

  32. So there we have it, Mr Humphreys for TDC and the "operator" who had co-joined the action have already agreed that night flights will constitute an intensification of use and would require planning permission for Manston to become an airport. The S106 is obviously flawed therefore the law requires that TDC falls back on to the original section 52 agreement.And as far as I can see a full environmental impact assesment would rule out Manston becoming an airport at all. Not at all like the rubbish "impact statement" that Wiggins had done. Sorry that you will lose your job OH DEAR, What part of the airfield did you used to sweep up?Let's face it Manston can hardly be called a local business, anyway you look at it, and if they can't run it during the daytime there is not a remote chance they can run it at all. The thing here to remember is that Infratil aquired Manston knowing full well that there were restrictions on the flying times and how many businesses had gone broke trying to make it work.

  33. KenYou had me worried for a minute! Glad you have a cunning plan and I wish you every success. Young Scobie on his blog points out (in the usual infantile party political way) that the S106 was supposed to be renegotiated every year. His point, of course, was that the Tories hadn't done so. Putting this petulance aside, would there have been an obligation on both Infratil and TDC to push for renegotiation. Is the S106 a form of contract? If the answer to both these questions is "yes" then surely there has been a material breach of the contract by both parties, who have therefore effectively repudiated it. On a similar note, were not Infratil supposed to arrange for mobile noise monitoring stations as part of the S106? Again, I don't think that has happened.As I understand it the S52 only applied to the small bit of the RAF station that was used by civilian operators. If the S106 is repudiated and the S52 only applies to the small bit of airfield where do you think that leaves us?

  34. Tim,I am not up on the rules about renegotiation of 106 agreements but it would be a good area of research.My understanding is that both noise and pollution monitoring have not been carried out adequately and I have been told that the old Sec52 agreement refers only to the terminal building, preventing its use during certain night time hours, cargo operations can probably get around that.I will be posting on my blog over the weekend, a standard response in planning terms which anyone can send into TDC, I will put a link here when post is ready.

  35. Hi, the sec 52 applies to the 30 acres of the civilian enclave which includes all the taxi ways and buildings around the Terminal. The rest comes under the certs of lawfulness that were issued.

  36. Hi Readit. You posted:"You can call it as much "intensification as you like but unless you can prove change of use, "intensification" is not grounds for a planning application."You don't seem to understand planning law. Intensification does require planning permission. If you grant someone planning permission for an airport handling 5000 flights per year, they require planning permission to go beyond this. This isn't my opinion, it's a fact which you can check out for yourself by looking at the planning permision which have been issued for the London airports.It's just a matter of whether you can persuade the court that what is intended does amount to an intensification. The perceived difficulty here is that some people (who haven't bothered to look at the details) think that there are no defined limits for Manston. This isn't true. Allow me to elaborate.In the first instance, the Council has to write to Infratil and tell them that their proposals do constitute intensification and will require planning permission. What is of concern here is that the Council does not appear to be prepared to do this and, in failing to do it, they will be compromising themselves in terms of taking enforcement action at a later stage.Case law shows that it is can be to define intensification when you are just talking about numbers. However, such diifficulties usually arise because the planning consent which was granted was insifficiently detailed. In the case of Manston it is much easier. We know exactly what is and is not permitted. The airport as a whole doesn't have planning permision in the first place. The legality of its existence rests on Certificates of Lawfulness, which simply recognise that it was an airport when it was transferred to solely civilian use. In court, the case was made that these Certificates had to stipulate what was and was not permitted at the airport. The judge disagreed and said that the Certificates didn't confer any right to expand or develop the airport. This would all have to be done through the planning system. When the terminal building was constructed, the planning permission was for a maximum of 500,000 passegers per year. Any increase above this will require planning permission. A legal agreement was attached to that planning consent, prohibiting night-flights. From this it is easy to prove to the court that there were no scheduled, civilian night flights taking place when the Certificates of Lawfulness were issued. Thus, any scheduled civilian night-flights will require planning permission. The shenanigans with the S106 is just another attempt to evade planning legislation. Having ruled that future expansion must be dealt with through the planning system it is easy to see how the court may take a dim view of the Council's position.

  37. Igloo, I totally agreed with the majority of your statement, except intensification is not in itself sufficient to warrant the need for planning permission, there must be a material change of use. Read the expert report just received by TDC.The terminal building may be able to be extended under permitted development if Infratil are a "relevant airport operator" which i have not had time to check yet.Finally, we should not be discussing what a court may rule, the main element to consider is convincing TDC that they need to insist on a planning application and we should be doing this through the forthcoming consultation.

  38. Readit says "Read the expert report just received by TDC"… the authors of the report (Parsons Brinckerhoff) may be experts in many areas, but NOT in planning law – hence their recommendation to TDC to seek legal counsel's advice on planning issues.

  39. Sorry Readit, but you would only be correct if no scale were specified in the planning consent. In the case of Manston, the planning consent was quite specific; a maximum of 500,000 passengers per year and no night-flights. I have read the Brinkerhoff report and they have got it wrong on a number of counts. In large part this is due to the fact that they weren't provided with all of the relevant documentation by TDC. They do refer to this in the report. This should be looked at by the auditors because there is no point in spending 50,000 of our money on a report and then failing to give the consultant's all of the relevant papers needed to produce an accurate report. For example, they refer to the issue of permitted development rights and you quote this in your posting. Permitted development rights are consequential upon the issue of an overall planning consent. Manston has never been given planning permission and so, it does not have permitted development rights. This point was conceded by the barrister acting on behalf of TDC in the court case ten years ago. Another example of documentation which was not provided to Brinkerhoff-Parsons is the Section 52 Agreement, which was attached to the planning consent for the terminal and prohibited night-flights. This is now highly relevant because, in conjunction with the CAA records for that period, it illustrates that night-flights were not permitted and were not taking place in the period prior to privatisation. Parsons-Brinkerhoff say that this information is important but they weren't given the documentation to put forward an informed view.I'm afraid that this is going to have to be resolved in court and the Council has a simple choice to make. Do they side with their residents and refer the matter to court themselves, or do they side with Infratil and fight their own electors? For the Labour group this presents a particularly thorny issue, because they were elected on a platform of opposing night-flights. If local residents now have to take them to court (for a second time) for failing to do this they will have lost all credibility.

  40. Hey Guys, don't have a go at me, I'm on your side. All I am quoting is planning legislation in the REAL world, not the Thanet version. Have a look at this and use it if you wish:http://in2thanet.blogspot.com/2012/01/night-flight-consultation-response.html

  41. Well, that seems to be quite conclusive, dosn't it, the one comment I would make is that it was a Labour council who got it all wrong at the beginning guided by so called experts, and who being pigheaded about the whole thing kept at it until the conservatives won the vote and then they continued to further muddy the waters.Everything that has taken place since the judicial review has been an attempt by the council to get their own way without recourse to the planning laws or the voters of Thanet.There has been several piecemeal bits of development that has been allowed in order to further their ambitions for Manston, THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE ANY FURTHER.Neither Wiggins or Infratil have any real interest in Thanet apart from what profit they could make from it, Wiggins lost lets hope Infratil go the same way.

  42. Stunned silence from Oh Dear as he sees his dream of an empty Ramsgate go up in legal smoke

  43. The equalizer

    Mr 'oh dear'You seem the perfect person to negotiate with Infratil, TDC and opposers as you seem to have it all. Are you a Wannabe lawyer?, sorry barrister. You probably don't even live near the flight path or interested in getting a so called job there so why do you insist on being negative?… You haven't got a brother in law in the council as well have you? The people who take the time to go to meetings and put their time in for the benefit of Thanet are the opinions that matter not those of a troll.